http://nagualism.com/mybb/ Sat, 19 May 2012 02:32:25 +0000 MyBB http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=218 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:01:35 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=218
Nagualism, is for many, the path to escape of reality with some books, created by Carlos Castaneda, and some others.. majority are merchants of the divine... of the human will.

In 2006, one guy known as ensonar contact me via Email and askme about the price of the domain Nagualism.com. The domain is not for sale, I said, and explain him the reasons i purchase some domains to block the merchants of the divine. I loan the domain without cost, with the promise of never sold or ask for money for domain related services.

In 2006, the forum software called Invision 1.2 was free and the domain forum was mounted in that software.

In 2008 and later ensonar dont put attention in the forum, and forum have a slow death.

Today, April 13 of 2011, i migrate that old domain forum, and pass to mybb. for other reasons, was converted mainly to simplify my life and the manage of my dedicated servers. Was delayed because other convertors dont allow save the personal messages. Now was possible.

Techincal data: Domain can be migrated without problems to SMF, but cant be migrated directly to Mybb. I do a invision>smf>phpbb3>mybb route.

I have three paths of manage the forum:

1 ) dont do nothing and put in smf only. I choose dont do that, because i am making a live motto of only use drupal, mybb if possible.

2 ) migrate TEMPORAL to phpbb 3 and then convert to drupal. i do but the main idea i have for the domain, drupal is not the best option.

3 ) migrate TEMPORAL to phpbb 3 and then convert to Mybb. I do that, because now is more easy manage and merge many mybb forums, that diff forum softwares.

In the future, surely i go to something with the domain, but i dont think make a forum here soon, Reasons and many, and common technical sense... others are this type of forums are pointless. I explain why later.

Then, mybb is the middle step of a long plan idea. One thing mybb allos, is the merge of users. I Merge the three identities I find of ensonar (ensonar, sarah and another dont remember now), and erase the people who never log or talk here.

The private messages was converted too.

These users was erased:

1 ) People with 0 messages and 0 personal messages
2 ) Merge the three accounts of the ensonar user.
3 ) some bots banned but existents in the users table.

Check the main site soon. This forum will be for read only for some time.]]>
Nagualism, is for many, the path to escape of reality with some books, created by Carlos Castaneda, and some others.. majority are merchants of the divine... of the human will.

In 2006, one guy known as ensonar contact me via Email and askme about the price of the domain Nagualism.com. The domain is not for sale, I said, and explain him the reasons i purchase some domains to block the merchants of the divine. I loan the domain without cost, with the promise of never sold or ask for money for domain related services.

In 2006, the forum software called Invision 1.2 was free and the domain forum was mounted in that software.

In 2008 and later ensonar dont put attention in the forum, and forum have a slow death.

Today, April 13 of 2011, i migrate that old domain forum, and pass to mybb. for other reasons, was converted mainly to simplify my life and the manage of my dedicated servers. Was delayed because other convertors dont allow save the personal messages. Now was possible.

Techincal data: Domain can be migrated without problems to SMF, but cant be migrated directly to Mybb. I do a invision>smf>phpbb3>mybb route.

I have three paths of manage the forum:

1 ) dont do nothing and put in smf only. I choose dont do that, because i am making a live motto of only use drupal, mybb if possible.

2 ) migrate TEMPORAL to phpbb 3 and then convert to drupal. i do but the main idea i have for the domain, drupal is not the best option.

3 ) migrate TEMPORAL to phpbb 3 and then convert to Mybb. I do that, because now is more easy manage and merge many mybb forums, that diff forum softwares.

In the future, surely i go to something with the domain, but i dont think make a forum here soon, Reasons and many, and common technical sense... others are this type of forums are pointless. I explain why later.

Then, mybb is the middle step of a long plan idea. One thing mybb allos, is the merge of users. I Merge the three identities I find of ensonar (ensonar, sarah and another dont remember now), and erase the people who never log or talk here.

The private messages was converted too.

These users was erased:

1 ) People with 0 messages and 0 personal messages
2 ) Merge the three accounts of the ensonar user.
3 ) some bots banned but existents in the users table.

Check the main site soon. This forum will be for read only for some time.]]> http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=1 Thu, 30 Oct 2008 04:19:09 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=1 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2 Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:11:26 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=3 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:19:17 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=3 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=4 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:47:57 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=4 this is the practice to forge the intent, named promise keeper

1. take paper sheet and write down all things you want to intent and to do.
egz. :
1.build a house
2.learn tensegrity
3.recapitulate all life
and ect.

2. take first intention and make step-by-step shedule.
egz.:
to build a house I need:
1. make project
2. take a loan
3. buy material
and ect.

3. find a person who will be your promise keeper. discuse with keeper first job of the shedule. how long it will take to do, how you will do it and the period for keeper remindings.
Keeper don't do any of your jobs, he just reminds you what he has yours promise.
its looks like:
one time a week or month keeper says:
- hi John, I keeping your promise
- oh thank you, Mr keeper.
-bye
-bye

thats all.

4. then time is out You going to keeper and do report about success or failure.
if you succeded you going to next job in the shedule and do it the same way.
if you failed, you divide this failed project into smaller projects and do it one by one in the same way.

5. then all shedule is done you going to the second intent from the first list.]]> this is the practice to forge the intent, named promise keeper

1. take paper sheet and write down all things you want to intent and to do.
egz. :
1.build a house
2.learn tensegrity
3.recapitulate all life
and ect.

2. take first intention and make step-by-step shedule.
egz.:
to build a house I need:
1. make project
2. take a loan
3. buy material
and ect.

3. find a person who will be your promise keeper. discuse with keeper first job of the shedule. how long it will take to do, how you will do it and the period for keeper remindings.
Keeper don't do any of your jobs, he just reminds you what he has yours promise.
its looks like:
one time a week or month keeper says:
- hi John, I keeping your promise
- oh thank you, Mr keeper.
-bye
-bye

thats all.

4. then time is out You going to keeper and do report about success or failure.
if you succeded you going to next job in the shedule and do it the same way.
if you failed, you divide this failed project into smaller projects and do it one by one in the same way.

5. then all shedule is done you going to the second intent from the first list.]]> http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=5 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:09:07 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=5
http://www.opraheckhartvideo.com/

They also work well standing and breathing ]]>
http://www.opraheckhartvideo.com/

They also work well standing and breathing ]]> http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=6 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:42:45 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=6
What do you all think about that? I have only had a little success in quieting my internal dialog but in this dream it turned off like nothing.

I believe that I am dreamer, and I would like to know more about it.

I bought some books by theun mares, and I hope that maybe he can clarify a few things.

comments?]]>
What do you all think about that? I have only had a little success in quieting my internal dialog but in this dream it turned off like nothing.

I believe that I am dreamer, and I would like to know more about it.

I bought some books by theun mares, and I hope that maybe he can clarify a few things.

comments?]]> http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=7 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:23:42 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=7
This is an opportune time to say Hi and introduce myself.

My name is Bill and my screen name is "Remember". The word "remember" is most significant to me as it has several meanings where I'm concerned, so I've adopted it. I was in an accident two years ago and suffered multiple injuries including brain trauma (multiple lacerations to the frontal lobe, various contusions & bruised brain stem), 3 broken vertabrae of the neck with spinal cord trauma, broken shoulders (both), etc. I awoke from a coma with complete amnesia. Not only did I have to "remember" who I was, but also basic things such as words and how to speak. I also had to relearn how to use my hands and walk.

I was introcuced to CC with his first book (The Teachings of DJ) in an anthropology class when I was in college........it must have been in the late 60's or early 70's.

There's so damn much to this story, it'll take awhile (future correspondence) for it all to come out. However, you may find it interesting (and germaine to the subject matter of this website) that I awoke from the coma with almost no inner dialog going on. Additionally, somehow I was pushed (to some degree) into my left side awareness and stayed there for many months (maybe still). During this period I came to the knowledge/awareness that I've been a stalker all of my life (but that's another story).

Needless to say, these things (among others) are having a profound impact into my life. Hence, my reason for joining this forum.

I want to know, understand and "remember" more......................

Thank you, I'm happy to make your acquaintance,

Bill (Remember)]]>
This is an opportune time to say Hi and introduce myself.

My name is Bill and my screen name is "Remember". The word "remember" is most significant to me as it has several meanings where I'm concerned, so I've adopted it. I was in an accident two years ago and suffered multiple injuries including brain trauma (multiple lacerations to the frontal lobe, various contusions & bruised brain stem), 3 broken vertabrae of the neck with spinal cord trauma, broken shoulders (both), etc. I awoke from a coma with complete amnesia. Not only did I have to "remember" who I was, but also basic things such as words and how to speak. I also had to relearn how to use my hands and walk.

I was introcuced to CC with his first book (The Teachings of DJ) in an anthropology class when I was in college........it must have been in the late 60's or early 70's.

There's so damn much to this story, it'll take awhile (future correspondence) for it all to come out. However, you may find it interesting (and germaine to the subject matter of this website) that I awoke from the coma with almost no inner dialog going on. Additionally, somehow I was pushed (to some degree) into my left side awareness and stayed there for many months (maybe still). During this period I came to the knowledge/awareness that I've been a stalker all of my life (but that's another story).

Needless to say, these things (among others) are having a profound impact into my life. Hence, my reason for joining this forum.

I want to know, understand and "remember" more......................

Thank you, I'm happy to make your acquaintance,

Bill (Remember)]]> http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:44:23 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8 I am new to the forum, however I'd like to pose a question for opinions. I placed it in this forum because it came to me as intuition, or silent knowledge and figured it would apply.
My question, is that in CC's books, Don Juan emphasizes emphatically that the basis of 'sorcery' is using will through intent to manipulate the eagle's emanations as one’s own command to move the assemblage point.
Now, the way I understand the metaphor of the eagle is from something I discovered studying with an alchemist; that there is a source of all energy, ergo this energy is creational in nature, boundless and it is the fundamental aspect of all things. It is expressed somewhat as god, in the ideal that god is the reason of creation and part of all things, but the larger brunt of that idea comes from the mold of man, obviously. Anyway, this source can be tapped into by humans through the control of the will and given access to boundless creational energy that is infinitely malleable to the user and that with this creational energy one can manifest intent into the spiritual and physical (though those are only differentiated in terms, not practice) This is what in alchemy is used as the cornerstone to spiritual transmutation of the self, or others, healing, whatever is intended. Now, all energy has its own consciousness and this source is no exception, it is in fact the source of all consciousness and as we know of basic principles of energy - all energy seeks to return to its source hence when we die we are 'devoured by the eagle.'
My point here is pointing out the similarities in the two metaphors and descriptions but the difference in what is emphasized in practice. In the perspective of the Nagual the will is used exclusively to manifest the movement of the assemblage point, more specifically to change perception.
My question then is, then, if our will can enhance our command to that of the eagle’s, which is the source of creational energy, when why would one not use those commands in a pragmatic sense; to use them for the purposes of creation, more than merely perception?
And if the new seers knew this could be done, why not expand upon it?]]> I am new to the forum, however I'd like to pose a question for opinions. I placed it in this forum because it came to me as intuition, or silent knowledge and figured it would apply.
My question, is that in CC's books, Don Juan emphasizes emphatically that the basis of 'sorcery' is using will through intent to manipulate the eagle's emanations as one’s own command to move the assemblage point.
Now, the way I understand the metaphor of the eagle is from something I discovered studying with an alchemist; that there is a source of all energy, ergo this energy is creational in nature, boundless and it is the fundamental aspect of all things. It is expressed somewhat as god, in the ideal that god is the reason of creation and part of all things, but the larger brunt of that idea comes from the mold of man, obviously. Anyway, this source can be tapped into by humans through the control of the will and given access to boundless creational energy that is infinitely malleable to the user and that with this creational energy one can manifest intent into the spiritual and physical (though those are only differentiated in terms, not practice) This is what in alchemy is used as the cornerstone to spiritual transmutation of the self, or others, healing, whatever is intended. Now, all energy has its own consciousness and this source is no exception, it is in fact the source of all consciousness and as we know of basic principles of energy - all energy seeks to return to its source hence when we die we are 'devoured by the eagle.'
My point here is pointing out the similarities in the two metaphors and descriptions but the difference in what is emphasized in practice. In the perspective of the Nagual the will is used exclusively to manifest the movement of the assemblage point, more specifically to change perception.
My question then is, then, if our will can enhance our command to that of the eagle’s, which is the source of creational energy, when why would one not use those commands in a pragmatic sense; to use them for the purposes of creation, more than merely perception?
And if the new seers knew this could be done, why not expand upon it?]]> http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=9 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:22:52 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=9 ]]> ]]> http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=10 Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:00:43 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=10
i came accross an article recently that reminds me of the flyers interactions with humans that i'd like to share:::

The Wisdom of Parasites

Category: The Parasite Files
Posted on: February 2, 2006 9:43 AM, by Carl Zimmer



I collect tales of parasites the way some people collect Star Trek plates. And having filled an entire book with them, I thought I had pretty much collected the whole set. But until now I had somehow missed the gruesome glory that is a wasp named Ampulex compressa.

As an adult, Ampulex compressa seems like your normal wasp, buzzing about and mating. But things get weird when it's time for a female to lay an egg. She finds a cockroach to make her egg's host, and proceeds to deliver two precise stings. The first she delivers to the roach's mid-section, causing its front legs buckle. The brief paralysis caused by the first sting gives the wasp the luxury of time to deliver a more precise sting to the head.

The wasp slips her stinger through the roach's exoskeleton and directly into its brain. She apparently use ssensors along the sides of the stinger to guide it through the brain, a bit like a surgeon snaking his way to an appendix with a laparoscope. She continues to probe the roach's brain until she reaches one particular spot that appears to control the escape reflex. She injects a second venom that influences these neurons in such a way that the escape reflex disappears.

From the outside, the effect is surreal. The wasp does not paralyze the cockroach. In fact, the roach is able to lift up its front legs again and walk. But now it cannot move of its own accord. The wasp takes hold of one of the roach's antennae and leads it--in the words of Israeli scientists who study Ampulex--like a dog on a leash.

The zombie roach crawls where its master leads, which turns out to be the wasp's burrow. The roach creeps obediently into the burrow and sits there quietly, while the wasp plugs up the burrow with pebbles. Now the wasp turns to the roach once more and lays an egg on its underside. The roach does not resist. The egg hatches, and the larva chews a hole in the side of the roach. In it goes.

The larva grows inside the roach, devouring the organs of its host, for about eight days. It is then ready to weave itself a cocoon--which it makes within the roach as well. After four more weeks, the wasp grows to an adult. It breaks out of its cocoon, and out of the roach as well. Seeing a full-grown wasp crawl out of a roach suddenly makes those Alien movies look pretty derivative.



I find this wasp fascinating for a lot of reasons. For one thing, it represents an evolutionary transition. Over and over again, free-living organisms have become parasites, adapting to hosts with exquisite precision. If you consider a full-blown parasite, it can be hard to conceive of how it could have evolved from anything else. Ampulex offers some clues, because it exists in between the free-living and parasitic worlds.

Amuplex is not technically a parasite, but something known as an exoparasitoid. In other words, a free-living adult lays an egg outside a host, and then the larva crawls into the host. One could easily imagine the ancestors of Ampulex as wasps that laid their eggs near dead insects--as some species do today. These corpse-feeding ancestors then evolved into wasps that attacked living hosts. Likewise, it's not hard to envision an Ampulex-like wasp evolving into full-blown parasitoids that inject their eggs directly into their hosts, as many species do today.

And then there's the sting. Ampulex does not want to kill cockroaches. It doesn't even want to paralyze them the way spiders and snakes do, since it is too small to drag a big paralyzed roach into its burrow. So instead it just delicately retools the roach's neural network to take away its motivation. Its venom does more than make roaches zombies. It also alters their metabolism, so that their intake of oxygen drops by a third. The Israeli researchers found that they could also drop oxygen consumption in cockroaches by injecting paralyzing drugs or by removing the neurons that the wasps disable with their sting. But they can manage only a crude imitation; the manipulated cockroaches quickly dehydrated and were dead within six days. The wasp venom somehow puts the roaches into suspended animation while keeping them in good health, even as a wasp larva is devouring it from the inside

Scientists don't yet understand how Ampulex manages either of these feats. Part of the reason for their ignorance is the fact that scientists have much left to learn about nervous systems and metabolism. But millions of years of natural selection has allowed Ampulex to reverse engineer its host. We would do well to follow its lead, and gain the wisdom of parasites.

http://scienceblogs.com/loom/2006/02/02/th...f_parasites.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampulex_compressa

and VIDEO]]>
i came accross an article recently that reminds me of the flyers interactions with humans that i'd like to share:::

The Wisdom of Parasites

Category: The Parasite Files
Posted on: February 2, 2006 9:43 AM, by Carl Zimmer



I collect tales of parasites the way some people collect Star Trek plates. And having filled an entire book with them, I thought I had pretty much collected the whole set. But until now I had somehow missed the gruesome glory that is a wasp named Ampulex compressa.

As an adult, Ampulex compressa seems like your normal wasp, buzzing about and mating. But things get weird when it's time for a female to lay an egg. She finds a cockroach to make her egg's host, and proceeds to deliver two precise stings. The first she delivers to the roach's mid-section, causing its front legs buckle. The brief paralysis caused by the first sting gives the wasp the luxury of time to deliver a more precise sting to the head.

The wasp slips her stinger through the roach's exoskeleton and directly into its brain. She apparently use ssensors along the sides of the stinger to guide it through the brain, a bit like a surgeon snaking his way to an appendix with a laparoscope. She continues to probe the roach's brain until she reaches one particular spot that appears to control the escape reflex. She injects a second venom that influences these neurons in such a way that the escape reflex disappears.

From the outside, the effect is surreal. The wasp does not paralyze the cockroach. In fact, the roach is able to lift up its front legs again and walk. But now it cannot move of its own accord. The wasp takes hold of one of the roach's antennae and leads it--in the words of Israeli scientists who study Ampulex--like a dog on a leash.

The zombie roach crawls where its master leads, which turns out to be the wasp's burrow. The roach creeps obediently into the burrow and sits there quietly, while the wasp plugs up the burrow with pebbles. Now the wasp turns to the roach once more and lays an egg on its underside. The roach does not resist. The egg hatches, and the larva chews a hole in the side of the roach. In it goes.

The larva grows inside the roach, devouring the organs of its host, for about eight days. It is then ready to weave itself a cocoon--which it makes within the roach as well. After four more weeks, the wasp grows to an adult. It breaks out of its cocoon, and out of the roach as well. Seeing a full-grown wasp crawl out of a roach suddenly makes those Alien movies look pretty derivative.



I find this wasp fascinating for a lot of reasons. For one thing, it represents an evolutionary transition. Over and over again, free-living organisms have become parasites, adapting to hosts with exquisite precision. If you consider a full-blown parasite, it can be hard to conceive of how it could have evolved from anything else. Ampulex offers some clues, because it exists in between the free-living and parasitic worlds.

Amuplex is not technically a parasite, but something known as an exoparasitoid. In other words, a free-living adult lays an egg outside a host, and then the larva crawls into the host. One could easily imagine the ancestors of Ampulex as wasps that laid their eggs near dead insects--as some species do today. These corpse-feeding ancestors then evolved into wasps that attacked living hosts. Likewise, it's not hard to envision an Ampulex-like wasp evolving into full-blown parasitoids that inject their eggs directly into their hosts, as many species do today.

And then there's the sting. Ampulex does not want to kill cockroaches. It doesn't even want to paralyze them the way spiders and snakes do, since it is too small to drag a big paralyzed roach into its burrow. So instead it just delicately retools the roach's neural network to take away its motivation. Its venom does more than make roaches zombies. It also alters their metabolism, so that their intake of oxygen drops by a third. The Israeli researchers found that they could also drop oxygen consumption in cockroaches by injecting paralyzing drugs or by removing the neurons that the wasps disable with their sting. But they can manage only a crude imitation; the manipulated cockroaches quickly dehydrated and were dead within six days. The wasp venom somehow puts the roaches into suspended animation while keeping them in good health, even as a wasp larva is devouring it from the inside

Scientists don't yet understand how Ampulex manages either of these feats. Part of the reason for their ignorance is the fact that scientists have much left to learn about nervous systems and metabolism. But millions of years of natural selection has allowed Ampulex to reverse engineer its host. We would do well to follow its lead, and gain the wisdom of parasites.

http://scienceblogs.com/loom/2006/02/02/th...f_parasites.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampulex_compressa

and VIDEO]]> http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=11 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:09:07 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=11
Warrior Fusion]]>
Warrior Fusion]]> http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=12 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:03:52 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=12 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=13 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:56:29 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=13
do You practice with witness?
this recapitulation-stalking exercise is always practiced in workshops after tensegrity. two people sit down, one is recapitulating, onother is asking questions about inner dialogue; body position; new position, new view from this position.]]>
do You practice with witness?
this recapitulation-stalking exercise is always practiced in workshops after tensegrity. two people sit down, one is recapitulating, onother is asking questions about inner dialogue; body position; new position, new view from this position.]]> http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=14 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:51:39 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=14
Too bad I probably won't be able to make it.

http://www.shambhalamountain.org/programs/867]]>
Too bad I probably won't be able to make it.

http://www.shambhalamountain.org/programs/867]]> http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=15 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:35:46 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=15 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=16 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:36:17 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=16 to manipulate people's perception. I wonder how close this is to stalking. Sometimes I think very close. Basically, he's an expert in psychology; he knows the human mind and can remove it's securities and put other descriptions there.
He's apparently a big hit in the UK. Check it out.]]> to manipulate people's perception. I wonder how close this is to stalking. Sometimes I think very close. Basically, he's an expert in psychology; he knows the human mind and can remove it's securities and put other descriptions there.
He's apparently a big hit in the UK. Check it out.]]> http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=17 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:39:07 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=17 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=18 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:35:25 -0500 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=18
Knowledge cannot be shared by the conscious mind, our 1st att awareness. It can appear to, but it is really just touched or batted back and forth and never absorbed, which is the domain of the subconscious or 2nd att. Even if we can agree on many definitions, communication will still only be on the surface - a sharing of a description, and not in the heart - a true sharing of experience.

The "key joint" of communication is intent. Obviously reading CC's books, which are full of knowledge, didn't turn us into warriors, seers or sorcerers. Why? Because aquiring knowledge happens in the mind (a first att imaginary construct) and not in the AP (the 2nd att/energy body energetic factual reality). If you want a real change, it has to happen in the real world. Intending knowledge, intending a description, is very different than aquiring knowledge and descriptions. Aquiring intends seperation - intending intends unification. Your assemblage point doesn't give a shit about knowledge. Did you realize that? The AP is moved by sheer intent. Knowledge is the antithesis of intent. Knowledge is fixation, concentration, definition, limitation. The freedom and fluidity that are required for intentional intent come from the place of no knowledge, not-knowing, the unknown. Knowledge is only needed for choosing a destination. But knowledge cannot move you from here to there; there is no knowledge for how to intend. Intending is what we do, it's what we are, it's always happening. We can't learn to be what we always already are - that intends our seperation into mind and makes it appear that our link with intent is severed. Our link is fine - we're just using it to incapacitate our unthinkable greatness.

So why has my conversation about communication turned into a conversation about intent? Well, they're pretty much the same. When one listens, or reads, with the entirety of one's attention and not with knowledge/mind, one engages intent. But to say it that way makes it seem like we're not always intent. So, better said, one intends the 2nd att instead of the first.
And you'll notice the same mystery appears: "How does one intend?" now becomes "How does one listen without knowledge?" ie, "how can I understand someone if I don't use my inventory?" And the same answer is given - this "problem" is resolved in the doing and not in the thinking (ie, it has appeared because the ask-er is there, the seperator.)

I'll close with some words by J. Krishnamurti:

"It is far more important to listen with the depth of one's whole being, than to indulge in merely superficial explanations. If we can listen in that way, with the totality of one's being, the very listening is an act of meditation."

"You have to listen without any effort, without any struggle. It is a very difficult problem to listen with the totality of one's being - that is, when the mind not only hears the words, but is capable of going beyond the words. The mere judgement of a conscious mind is not the discovery or the understanding of truth. The conscious mind can never find that which is real. All that it can do is choose, judge, weigh, compare. When you read a book, you might translate what you read according to your particular tendency, knowledge or idiosyncracy, and so miss the whole content of what the author was trying to convey; but to understand, to discover, you have to listen without the resistance of the conscious mind which wants to debate, discuss, analyse."

"I do not know if you have ever tried this. That is, to listen to the words and to find out the truth of any statement that is made by the speaker, not only intellectually, not only with considerable doubt, but also to listen without any resistance - which does not mean accepting, but to listen so profoundly, with great attention, so that the very act of listening brings about a total breaking down of the pattern of the brain."]]>
Knowledge cannot be shared by the conscious mind, our 1st att awareness. It can appear to, but it is really just touched or batted back and forth and never absorbed, which is the domain of the subconscious or 2nd att. Even if we can agree on many definitions, communication will still only be on the surface - a sharing of a description, and not in the heart - a true sharing of experience.

The "key joint" of communication is intent. Obviously reading CC's books, which are full of knowledge, didn't turn us into warriors, seers or sorcerers. Why? Because aquiring knowledge happens in the mind (a first att imaginary construct) and not in the AP (the 2nd att/energy body energetic factual reality). If you want a real change, it has to happen in the real world. Intending knowledge, intending a description, is very different than aquiring knowledge and descriptions. Aquiring intends seperation - intending intends unification. Your assemblage point doesn't give a shit about knowledge. Did you realize that? The AP is moved by sheer intent. Knowledge is the antithesis of intent. Knowledge is fixation, concentration, definition, limitation. The freedom and fluidity that are required for intentional intent come from the place of no knowledge, not-knowing, the unknown. Knowledge is only needed for choosing a destination. But knowledge cannot move you from here to there; there is no knowledge for how to intend. Intending is what we do, it's what we are, it's always happening. We can't learn to be what we always already are - that intends our seperation into mind and makes it appear that our link with intent is severed. Our link is fine - we're just using it to incapacitate our unthinkable greatness.

So why has my conversation about communication turned into a conversation about intent? Well, they're pretty much the same. When one listens, or reads, with the entirety of one's attention and not with knowledge/mind, one engages intent. But to say it that way makes it seem like we're not always intent. So, better said, one intends the 2nd att instead of the first.
And you'll notice the same mystery appears: "How does one intend?" now becomes "How does one listen without knowledge?" ie, "how can I understand someone if I don't use my inventory?" And the same answer is given - this "problem" is resolved in the doing and not in the thinking (ie, it has appeared because the ask-er is there, the seperator.)

I'll close with some words by J. Krishnamurti:

"It is far more important to listen with the depth of one's whole being, than to indulge in merely superficial explanations. If we can listen in that way, with the totality of one's being, the very listening is an act of meditation."

"You have to listen without any effort, without any struggle. It is a very difficult problem to listen with the totality of one's being - that is, when the mind not only hears the words, but is capable of going beyond the words. The mere judgement of a conscious mind is not the discovery or the understanding of truth. The conscious mind can never find that which is real. All that it can do is choose, judge, weigh, compare. When you read a book, you might translate what you read according to your particular tendency, knowledge or idiosyncracy, and so miss the whole content of what the author was trying to convey; but to understand, to discover, you have to listen without the resistance of the conscious mind which wants to debate, discuss, analyse."

"I do not know if you have ever tried this. That is, to listen to the words and to find out the truth of any statement that is made by the speaker, not only intellectually, not only with considerable doubt, but also to listen without any resistance - which does not mean accepting, but to listen so profoundly, with great attention, so that the very act of listening brings about a total breaking down of the pattern of the brain."]]> http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=19 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:28:58 -0600 http://nagualism.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=19 You may be surprised by the similarities of the Toltec tradition.


"Some religiously-minded people are aware of this lack of a unitary way of thought capable of including the knowledge of man and the knowledge of things. Although far too late, they are only just in time to measure, not with some perplexity, the unthought-of distance which seperates them from the world as it is."

"We come to realize that the problem of conveying the unknown could only be solved if it were possible to project the common essence of everything which is in the universe as a whole (including, of course, Man, because the essence is One). That essence in man is, according to cabalistic postulates, a movement both inner and outer, which builds structures and destroys them unceasingly. Our psychological inner structures built with and upon words which never convey the things, but are our ideas of what we recognize their appearances to be, must therefore be atomized, so to speak, in order for us to partake in and commune with the cosmic unfathomable mystery of the one movement, which is life."

"According to the esoteric tradition, Abram was the first really to understand the deep significance of their message. The human seed had to disentangle itself from the magic of the Kasdeem (Chaldeans) where it was being held in bondage, and had to be thrust into the world of conflict, of uncertainty, of hope and utter despair, of wild joy and anguish, of obstinate reconstructions and impending disasters. Any refuge, any protecting shelter had to be denied to it because , were it ever to remain immobile in any peaceful surrounding, it would become static in an immature, pre-human sub-species." italics mine

"We have already stated that in the perception of the fact that existence is a total mystery lies the foundation of any true religious awareness. The mystery, the realization that the fact of existence cannot be explained in words or in any other way, has always been deeply alive in the minds of the men of the Qabala."

"The very existence of the universe is a gigantic fact and mystery that can never be fathomed by human thought. That fact must be faced squarely, and not explained away, because so-called explanations pile mystery upon mystery and delude the mind, creating the habit of thinking about that which it cannot ever conceive." italics not mine

"The cosmic and human drama as described in the bible is an interplay between two partners playing against eachother: Aleph, (nagual), intermittent life-death, unfathomable, timeless mystery evading all mental grasp, and Yod, (tonal), its projection into the time-space continuum, which is its antinomy. The winner, obviously, is always Aleph because all that exists must necessarily come to an end. But the psyche, dreaming of an indefinite duration - in the form of an eternal soul, for example - rejects the very notion of its own death and clings to philosophies or religions that encourage it to believe that the word "always" has a meaning." italics and parenthetics mine

"When communication purports to convey the Revelation, such ambiguity can only lead to one or another of the multifarious religious interpretations which obstruct the immediate perception of the fact that the very existence of a speck of dust is in very truth the first and last mystery. No mystery is greater than any other: the Qabala has always known it, and has therefore never raised the question as to whether God exists. For those of the Qabala, for Abraham, Moses or Jesus, the unknowable unknown is a presence. The knowing of that presence is the unknown. There is no other revelation. It is therefore, and above all, necessary to reject all interpretations, explanations, creeds, dogmas, all faiths and moral laws, all traditions, philosophies and theologies, so as to allow the unknown to operate directly in our minds. Then thought is free to observe the interplay of life and death and existence because it moves along with it, having shattered its fetters."

"Thus it is useless for the mind to try to formulate ideas about transcendence, which is totally beyond comprehension or measure. In the first place, any notion of perfection and timelessness we may form is bound to be invalidated by our inveterately dualistic mode of thought. Our whole idea of progress is based on the idea that the good is simply that which awaits us at the opposite end of a continuum which starts with the not-good. Imperfection and time do not merely enter our thoughts; they are our thoughts. Like any other mere tool, the mind as we use it is functionally identical with its products. The chicken and the egg of the mind produce and reproduce one another ad infinitum, ad nauseum." (As DJ said, we learn to see as we think and we think as we see. I should say "look", not "see".)

"There is no transcendence other than our intimacy with the unknown as the unknown. Seeking it is avoiding it. It is everlastingly present in an ever present genesis."

Mr. Suares then proceeds to reveal the meanings of the Hebrew letter-numbers and apply this to the book of Genesis and further into the New Testament. His new "translation" is an awesome revelation, not of historical figures and dramas, but of energies, universal and psychological, as they involute and evolute again and again from source to mass, Aleph to Yod, nagual to tonal.]]> You may be surprised by the similarities of the Toltec tradition.


"Some religiously-minded people are aware of this lack of a unitary way of thought capable of including the knowledge of man and the knowledge of things. Although far too late, they are only just in time to measure, not with some perplexity, the unthought-of distance which seperates them from the world as it is."

"We come to realize that the problem of conveying the unknown could only be solved if it were possible to project the common essence of everything which is in the universe as a whole (including, of course, Man, because the essence is One). That essence in man is, according to cabalistic postulates, a movement both inner and outer, which builds structures and destroys them unceasingly. Our psychological inner structures built with and upon words which never convey the things, but are our ideas of what we recognize their appearances to be, must therefore be atomized, so to speak, in order for us to partake in and commune with the cosmic unfathomable mystery of the one movement, which is life."

"According to the esoteric tradition, Abram was the first really to understand the deep significance of their message. The human seed had to disentangle itself from the magic of the Kasdeem (Chaldeans) where it was being held in bondage, and had to be thrust into the world of conflict, of uncertainty, of hope and utter despair, of wild joy and anguish, of obstinate reconstructions and impending disasters. Any refuge, any protecting shelter had to be denied to it because , were it ever to remain immobile in any peaceful surrounding, it would become static in an immature, pre-human sub-species." italics mine

"We have already stated that in the perception of the fact that existence is a total mystery lies the foundation of any true religious awareness. The mystery, the realization that the fact of existence cannot be explained in words or in any other way, has always been deeply alive in the minds of the men of the Qabala."

"The very existence of the universe is a gigantic fact and mystery that can never be fathomed by human thought. That fact must be faced squarely, and not explained away, because so-called explanations pile mystery upon mystery and delude the mind, creating the habit of thinking about that which it cannot ever conceive." italics not mine

"The cosmic and human drama as described in the bible is an interplay between two partners playing against eachother: Aleph, (nagual), intermittent life-death, unfathomable, timeless mystery evading all mental grasp, and Yod, (tonal), its projection into the time-space continuum, which is its antinomy. The winner, obviously, is always Aleph because all that exists must necessarily come to an end. But the psyche, dreaming of an indefinite duration - in the form of an eternal soul, for example - rejects the very notion of its own death and clings to philosophies or religions that encourage it to believe that the word "always" has a meaning." italics and parenthetics mine

"When communication purports to convey the Revelation, such ambiguity can only lead to one or another of the multifarious religious interpretations which obstruct the immediate perception of the fact that the very existence of a speck of dust is in very truth the first and last mystery. No mystery is greater than any other: the Qabala has always known it, and has therefore never raised the question as to whether God exists. For those of the Qabala, for Abraham, Moses or Jesus, the unknowable unknown is a presence. The knowing of that presence is the unknown. There is no other revelation. It is therefore, and above all, necessary to reject all interpretations, explanations, creeds, dogmas, all faiths and moral laws, all traditions, philosophies and theologies, so as to allow the unknown to operate directly in our minds. Then thought is free to observe the interplay of life and death and existence because it moves along with it, having shattered its fetters."

"Thus it is useless for the mind to try to formulate ideas about transcendence, which is totally beyond comprehension or measure. In the first place, any notion of perfection and timelessness we may form is bound to be invalidated by our inveterately dualistic mode of thought. Our whole idea of progress is based on the idea that the good is simply that which awaits us at the opposite end of a continuum which starts with the not-good. Imperfection and time do not merely enter our thoughts; they are our thoughts. Like any other mere tool, the mind as we use it is functionally identical with its products. The chicken and the egg of the mind produce and reproduce one another ad infinitum, ad nauseum." (As DJ said, we learn to see as we think and we think as we see. I should say "look", not "see".)

"There is no transcendence other than our intimacy with the unknown as the unknown. Seeking it is avoiding it. It is everlastingly present in an ever present genesis."

Mr. Suares then proceeds to reveal the meanings of the Hebrew letter-numbers and apply this to the book of Genesis and further into the New Testament. His new "translation" is an awesome revelation, not of historical figures and dramas, but of energies, universal and psychological, as they involute and evolute again and again from source to mass, Aleph to Yod, nagual to tonal.]]>